How to respectfully request this in Germany
Feierabend
24.Jun.2009 22:06 hrs
Is there a respectful way to request somebody who you know quite well but with whom you are on "Sie" terms, to use your first name? I loathe always being called 'Frau xxx'. (It's just somehow, well, so frowsty!) I would not expect to use their first name in return or want to be over-familiar in any way. Or is it just a big cultural no-no until you've reached the "du" level of friendship?
eurovol
24.Jun.2009 22:09 hrs
I don't do "sie" and I am sure it pisses people off, but I wasn't raised that way. Just tell them to stop it with the sie and do the du. Seriously, they will do the sie until you tell them otherwise.
Carm
25.Jun.2009 04:59 hrs
I usually say something along the lines
"ich bin kein deutscher, ich komme aus Kanada (or whatever country you are from), und wir sind nicht so abhängig vom formalitaten!"
I find that works- and I do not care if I made grammatical errors, its not my mother tongue and until all non english speakers can say 'v' and 'th' properly I will happily go along.
robinson100
25.Jun.2009 05:32 hrs
Whilst I find the Du and Sie thing unnecessarily complicated, I think that if the poster is talking about using Du in a business situation it could make things a bit complicated if for instance one colleague uses the Du form to start with, then others might feel left out, or that you have a special relationship with that one person.
It´s definitely an all or nothing job!
Where I work, the boss is absolutely forbidden to use "Du" when speaking to his "underlings", so we have found a happy compromise - he uses me nickname within the company with "Sie"... we are all happy now!
DDBug
25.Jun.2009 05:57 hrs
Eurovol, dude, you weren't raised that way, but you weren't raised here either. When in Rome and all that... Wouldn't it be a problem if some 'rupean moved to Tennissee and started saying, Mr. Vol, thou shallst bring the business proposal? Playing the foreigner card only goes over well the first 5 years or so.
Robinson - I've heard of that practice working well, and have had people propose it at work (but then the entire department decided to just move to "du")
Feierabend - You could just say "Nennen Sie mich einfach Jane"* (with the explanation that Frau Feierabend is your mother )Then you have the Sie in there (no implication of the du, however normally when the first name is addressed then that is an invitation to "du")
*your profile doesn't say if you are a man or woman
HEM
25.Jun.2009 06:02 hrs
Where I work, the boss is absolutely forbidden to use "Du" when speaking to his "underlings",
When I joined my current employer 11+ years ago it was made clear from the start that its "Du/<first name>" between all levels within the organisation (its the German GmbH within a global company...)
galitz
25.Jun.2009 07:40 hrs
Or is it just a big cultural no-no until you've reached the "du" level of friendship?
Being on a first name basis is the same thing as being at the "du" level of a relationship. If you want them to address you in the informal you can do one of two things:
Introdouce yourself using your firstname only.
When they call you Frau X, stop them and just say "Sally" (or whatever)
They'll get the message. You might want to read a short article I wrote on this:
http://german-way.com/blog/2009/02/21/you-...u-sie-question/
In short, some people will readily accept your wish, some may be a little uncomfortable with it.
Expaticus
25.Jun.2009 07:42 hrs
Why even use names at all? Seriously. If it's someone you see every day at work, repeated use of their name shows either that you're a bit thick and/or you're being patronizing.
Along with "didn't your mother teach you that it's impolite to stare", it should be our mission to introduce "that's my name, don't wear it out" into common parlance.
I literally have five identical-looking guys in my office named "Andreas", and since I can't tell most German apart anyway, trying to use their first names would be about as useful as using "Mr. Kim" in Korea where pretty much everyone has one of four last names. If you're standing in front of someone wagging your gums at them, they should get the hint that you're talking to them and not someone else.
black1
25.Jun.2009 12:42 hrs
I did this when I worked for a big German multinational, got my boss to call me by my first name, other people picked up on it and called me by my first name without asking me or offering their first names and I still had to call the Herr this or that. It really pissed me off. I recommend staying with Herr/Frau X (your name) and doing it the German way, it really is the best to do what all the others are doing. When you get to know people very well and it is du then it means something.
Mutley
25.Jun.2009 12:47 hrs
I have come across a few occasions where people would use my first name and still use the Sie, it's perfectly acceptable and might be a good compromise here.
Derekbeggs
25.Jun.2009 12:53 hrs
Herr Beggs!
"Herr Beggs ist mein Fater, mein name ist Derek"
angelbeast
25.Jun.2009 13:06 hrs
Reminds me of my flatmate (a German) telling me about his boss.
She comes into his office room and starts like "why did you not send this report, that report". No good morning, nothing.
He: 'Guten Morgen Frau xxx'.
she: 'es ist Doktor'.
he: 'Guten Morgen Frau Doktor xxx'.
fraufruit
25.Jun.2009 13:17 hrs
"Herr Beggs ist mein Fater, mein name ist Derek"
So I would say that Frau Landes is my mother in law but she is dead.
This doesn't work so well for married folks who have taken on their spouse's family name.
Bipa
25.Jun.2009 13:35 hrs
Even better... "sorry, but Frau Landes is dead. My name is fraufruit."
Moonboot
25.Jun.2009 13:37 hrs
Herr Beggs!
my car has those.
we've a colleague called Herr Lipp which always makes me think of 'allo 'allo.
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