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Truck driver acquitted of vehicular manslaughter - Munich

Judge says cyclist should have been more careful

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sarabyrd
But what it does is gives you a feeling of being safer. Its called risk compensation. So you feel safer and you take more risks.
Hell no. It's my precaution against any outside influence that might endanger or injure me. I ride the same without a helmet as with - defensively and always looking well ahead and sideways.

While we're at it, let's bash some inconsiderate pedestrians who step onto the bike path without looking right or left, for example at a street crossing where there is a bike path between the sidewalk proper and the waiting zone at the light. And pedestrians dragging trolley suitcases at arm's length behind them and taking up the space of a medium elephant calf. And people with strollers who veer right or left suddenly while you're trying to pass them.
hermannyorks
Absolutely. I recommend a trip to Cambridge. My mother in law is a lifetime CTC member, helps organise the London-Edinburgh-London ride, rode all over Europe and across the US. She hates the Cambridge cycle set up. Inconsiderate pedestrian cyclists who ride on the pavement. No one giving each other space. Confusing cycle lanes.
switchblade
It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, its whos going to get hurt the most that should double double check how safe their route is. If you're on a bike, then its up to you whether you get in a crash.
sweetsilence
My aunt died under a lorry some years ago, in plain view of her sister. She wasn't racing over a crossing, or trying to push past the lorry, she just had the same bad luck as the young woman who died in this recent accident - she was overlooked. In her case, by a young and inexperienced driver who now has to live with the knowledge that he has killed a mother-of-two.

I can only say, always, always, always be careful on a bike - to know you had the right of way doesn't help you or your family when you're killed or crippled in an accident which could have been avoided simply by not insisting on one's rights.
Fastbucks
Can someone tell me why helmets are not legally required on bicycles in Germany
lilplatinum
Because if you want to be an idiot and endanger yourself it should be your perogative?
HellesAngel
Can someone tell me why helmets are not legally required on bicycles in Germany
Because bicycles don't need helmets.

But what it does is gives you a feeling of
a very sweaty head. Seriously, wear a helmet, it's just not a thing to debate, but realise as you say that you're still just as vulnerable as before.

What makes me upset is that no one seems to take responsiblity.
The truck driver went on trial for his responsibility, the parents of the deceased seem to not accept their daughter's responsibility.
Expaticus
I've heard that it's up there with indoor smoking and unlimited speed autobahn stretches as the last remaining unregulated things people seem willing to fight for 'round here.

Even the ADFC lobbies against helmet usage. Just throw out the idea that a motorcycle helment should be optional and see how much support that'd get.

I think it's pure selfishness, considering that the rest of us are on the hook on the hook when these yo yoes end up paralyzed for life.
hermannyorks
Because its not that cut and dried

QUESTIONING THE BENEFITS OF CYCLE HELMETS
There are other grounds too for questioning the benefit afforded by wearing cycle helmets, in particular those relating to their strength - the BSI specification makes it clear that cycle helmets only provide that degree of protection for low speed impact, that is up to about 20 kph, which is required to reduce injury if someone falls off their bicycle and without a motor vehicle being involved (British Standards Institute, 1991) - and the effect of helmet wearing on the propensity to take risks.
Level of protection from cycle helmets
The protection afforded by cycle helmets falls well short of the heavier, more stoutly constructed and more complete coverage of motorcycle helmets which are better able to withstand the impact forces from collision with a motor vehicle. Table 2 shows the number of each type of road user who has died from head injury in an accident in the last five years for which the statistics are accessible for such analysis. It is salutary to note from this that, in spite of the fact that motorcyclists are obliged by law to wear a helmet with this enhanced level of protection at all times, 45 per cent of their fatalities still result from head injury, compared with 71 per cent of those of cyclists - only a minority of whom wear a helmet. It can be seen too that cycle fatalities account for only 1 in 17 of all road fatalities and 1 in 12 of those that are result from head injury.
By wearing helmets, cyclists are at best only marginally reducing their chances of being fatally or seriously injured in a collision with a motor vehicle which is the predominant cause of these injuries. Even the most expensive ones provide little protection in these circumstances. Moreover, the argument in favour of helmets would have validity if there were proof that behaviour does not change in response to perceived risk. But there is no such proof. Safety devices encourage higher levels of risk-taking. As a result, cyclists are likely to ride less cautiously when wearing a helmet owing to their feeling of increased security. After all, the message of the advocates of helmet wearing is that such a practice will protect the cyclist's head adequately in the event of any accident, not just a minor one when cyclists are hit by very slow-moving vehicles or fall off and hit their heads on the ground. Cyclists may be less likely to have an accident if they are not wearing a helmet, and are therefore riding with greater care owing to an enhanced sense of their vulnerability.
http://camdencyclists.org.uk/info/tforum/hillman1991
hermannyorks
a very sweaty head. Seriously, wear a helmet, it's just not a thing to debate, but realise as you say that you're still just as vulnerable as before.
To be honest I don't ride a push bike. I feel far too vulnerable. At least on a motorbike I can effectively get myself out of situations by accelerating
HellesAngel
Interesting quotes, but largely commonsense I would have thought. Cycle helmets are made to be very light, and with plenty of ventilation, both fundamentally different requirements from motorbike helmets, indeed for bike helmets the strength is the same for cheap or expensive versions but the expensive ones use better materials to achieve a lighter weight and more ventilation. There's a lot of a human not protected by a helmet and a collision with a car will probably affect them all. As was said earlier - prevention is much better than cure here.
At least on a motorbike I can effectively get myself out of situations by accelerating
Up to a point you can do that too on a bicycle, at least in certain conditions, but still it comes down to awareness that there's a situation to be avoided.
seth17
sad but true that even if the truck driver was guilty of something the cyclist would still be dead.
My kids used to argue with me who was right and who was wrong, or why to wear a helmet...I just told them dead was dead. Once your dead it doesn't matter who had right of way.
RainKing
I wear a helmet, but I doubt whether it would make a difference in a real accident. However, it keeps the sun off.

The only real safeguard to to ride safe, and expect others to do their worst. Drivers, pedestrians, and most of all, other cyclists.
hermannyorks
Hell no. It's my precaution against any outside influence that might endanger or injure me. I ride the same without a helmet as with - defensively and always looking well ahead and sideways.

While we're at it, let's bash some inconsiderate pedestrians who step onto the bike path without looking right or left, for example at a street crossing where there is a bike path between the sidewalk proper and the waiting zone at the light. And pedestrians dragging trolley suitcases at arm's length behind them and taking up the space of a medium elephant calf. And people with strollers who veer right or left suddenly while you're trying to pass them.
Interesting quotes, but largely commonsense I would have thought. Cycle helmets are made to be very light, and with plenty of ventilation, both fundamentally different requirements from motorbike helmets, indeed for bike helmets the strength is the same for cheap or expensive versions but the expensive ones use better materials to achieve a lighter weight and more ventilation. There's a lot of a human not protected by a helmet and a collision with a car will probably affect them all. As was said earlier - prevention is much better than cure here.

Up to a point you can do that too on a bicycle, at least in certain conditions, but still it comes down to awareness that there's a situation to be avoided.
Definitely. However I'm also a lazy bastard and its too much like exercise As is often said the problem with common sense is it isn't that common. If too much of an emphasis is put on helmets then people do see them as protection. If it isn't backed up with proper road/path/crossing awareness then it can lull people into a false sense of security.
slave
At junctions anyone going straight has right of way over anyone turning right or left.
There are many correct people in the graveyard.

As a cyclist and car driver, I'm shocked by (presumably) German cyclists here who speed across junctions making no attempt to slow down or even look to their left for any cars turning in. RIP to the girl (weird it doesn’t mention her name in the story).
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